In Monday 24th we published the story about the Market being under threat of cancellation on Wednesdays. We have had a huge response on our facebook page and wanted to share them with you. If you have any thoughts please don’t hesitate to comment below.
Continental Market in Queens Square
Andy Wakefield Why can the council and councillors leave things alone. What is wrong with bring trade and passing traffic to our town. It’s about time this council had a shake up and fresh young blood!
Gary Murphy Andy is right, I have been saying it for a long time, this council has become a dictatorship. It imposes things on the residence instead of consulting the residence and finding out what we want. They are going to build on all our parks and have already started……I don’t know anybody that agrees with this either. It’s about time we took our town back and ensure the councillors remember that they work for us!
Andy Wakefield I have just email the council:-
I would like to ask why the councillors and council have decided to close down Crawley market without asking how the residents and community feel about this?!? I think it’s disgraceful that they do not want to bring trade and money to OUR town! I love using the market and it’s great to see the stalls in the town. Why can you not leave it ALONE!
Instead of wasting money on things that are not causing any problems and creating a great feeling for Crawley town, why don’t you fix our failing road system. We don’t have pot holes any more we have crators. Start spending OUR council tax on things that need repairing and sorting out! LEAVE OUR MARKETS ALONE
Joanne Moule The market should be moved into the town. They haven’t had a lot of people going to them for a while now. If the fruit and veg get to move why can’t they. They are hidden where they are now.
Samantha Gray I think it should be moved to, it was fab when it was where the library is now I don’t use the market because it’s so far out of town I would if it was in the square sometimes change is good x
Sharon Horan Signed the petition in Queens Square this morning
Melanie Wooding Signed the petition. Markets are lovely especially in nice weather, both should stay and more traders found.
Cheryl Jones Was Churchill The council doesn’t want to help. I have been talking about an indoor market and they say it’s a good idea but won’t do anything about it. Crawley needs to support small business. Markets are great for this but when the Weather is bad we need somewhere that is under cover like the old market. When I was growing up the traders had stalls covered which was great. It’s like at xmas. Why don’t they do more chalets for traders like other towns. The other thing is it’s not advertised enough for traders and buyers. It would also bring in allot of people from outside the town.
Mark Hackwell An indoor market is what is needed in Crawley and they also need to attract more companies but at the same time support small businesses by lowering the rent and letting them compete. They also need to stop turning shops away e.g. the Ikea Idea which could have brought in people from across Sussex. The rents are far to high but unless they dangle a carrot in front of companies then they will get no where and another problem they have is that all the shops in Queens Square are apparently owned by other people not the council so it makes it twice as hard to attract new shops . There appears to be very little shops in the town apart from County Mall and the nightlife isn’t much better so there’s now no incentive to come to Crawley. They obviously have no interest in the market.
Jan Large There are hardly any stall unless you want fruit and veg or stuff you can get in the pound shop. If there were more stalls and more variety then I’d shop in the market. We usually go to Horsham on a Saturday as there is so much more choice.
Mark Hackwell The reason why there’s not many stalls anymore is because of the rent price and because the Market is in the wrong place. It needs a spot where it can constantly be, the rent price needs to be lowered and ideally it needs to be put inside an indoor environment but can’t see Crawley Council doing that, all they want is the money really.
Cheryl Jones Was Churchill I have also been looking into pop up shops but again the rent and rates are so high. I agree with you Mark Hackwell the old Argos shop would have been a great place for an indoor market, the trouble is now more and more shops are moving out and we will end up with more cafes and pound shops … Crawley once had one off shops but that isn’t going to happen now due to the rents. With an outdoor market the trouble is the weather. We all know one day it can be nice, one day raining and crafters do not want to be in the rain so an indoor market makes sense, you could have a cafe inside. With a low rent for a stall you would get allot of people wanting one. Allot of the towns like Hastings, Worthing, Brighton have them. Brighton is just working on one now.
Jan Large I know someone who has a stall at Horsham and she said they tried Crawley but hardly had any customers as the town is pretty much closed with all the main shops moving to County Mall or closed down. Maybe if the square tidied up and shops weren’t so empty they might do well with a market but also with Asda close by and Morrisons opening soon I don’t think it will.
Mark Hackwell Well you only need to look down the Broadway to see what has happened. The town is getting worse but it’s been going downhill for a while now, posters up in stop windows in the Broadway from closing in 2009! That was 5 years ago and to this day you can still see the old Index sign. That shop should have been taken over years ago. It appears the council has overlooked every part of the town apart from the new Morrisons and the demolishment of the town hall and post office. They need to look at improving what they have first! I’ve always seen the town and civics halls as needing brightening up on the outside, not knocking them down. That would save money which they can put into the town centre. Also another thing they did wrong was putting the office block at the end of the high street where Icelands was because look what’s happened, it’s empty there is space for an indoor market but they need to make sure the rent price is sustainable and low enough and they also need to look at the other empty shops as there’s no point in moving the market to somewhere where no one will go too. Jan Large, this is the thing they have the problem with. County Mall appears to have taken the shops by dangling the carrot saying they can have reduced rent for a period of time so offering an incentive but none of that is outside the mall that’s why it’s all shut down. I think they should have some sort of shelter over Queens Square and the Martletts if possible as no-one likes to be open to the elements any more. We need to look at other towns and cities and see what they are doing. Another problem the town has is it’s also too spread out. Who wants to go all the way from Argos to the High Street?
Cheryl Jones Was Churchill Small business can’t afford £1400 a month. Plus rates and electric that’s before you sell anything. Brighton have got it right.
Carrie-Ann Gregory I’ll be closing my shop next year because the rent is too high. I’m not in the town centre so benefit from free parking for my customers (niche shop so people will travel for it but it won’t necessarily benefit much from passing trade if it were in the town centre). My shop is owned by the council – and they have stated categorically that they WON’T lower the rents.
Jan Large I used to love going to town for a spending spree. I now only go if I really have too. It’s got no shops and it’s dirty. I use the internet for most things including clothes which is a real shame. Lower the rents so there are more independent shops. Cover the square, have a permanent market and stop renting units out to tat shops.
Cheryl Jones Was Churchill That’s a real shame Carrie-Ann Gregory, again another small shop going so agree. I was told the shops would rather stay empty than rent them out for things like a market, something to do with the business rates.
Mark Hackwell: Cheryl Jones Was Churchill Yes, Brighton seems to be where everyone appears to be going. Looking down there the other week there’s allot of small shops, all open. They have got Churchill Square which doesn’t seem to take the trade away so it’s something which needs to be looked at. Also I have looked at Guildford as another example, they have 3 different Malls but all in a short amount of space and yet they have streets of shops still in there High Street. Our High Street isn’t the High Street any more .
Jan Large I think your like the majority of us, just go into town when needed but otherwise avoid the place as there’s no incentive. With the tat shops they need to look at either turning them into better looking shops or getting rid all together! It doesn’t give a good image of the town! The other problem they have failed to address is the car parking charges, who’s going to pay £2 for 2 hours if they go in and only want one item when they can go online and get it delivered free of charge by most companies. The council also appear to have lost all there enthusiasm for the town as they need events to be put on to attract the people to the town e.g. at the seasonal part of the year (won’t name it too early) they need to bring the big lights switch on back. They could try and get student events so that money is spent by them similar to in Birmingham, and they need to incorporate some sort of Leisure like a cinema to get people to go in and shop as well as have fun. They won’t lower the business rates though because like Cheryl said they would rather see the shops go empty.
Cheryl Jones Was Churchill I agree with everything you have said Mark Hackwell. I would have had a chalet in the town but didn’t know anything about them. Down to the council? They should have had allot more when I did ask the stall owners, the rent was way way to high. Make them easier for people, don’t be greedy and that way you will get more people in and have a good xmas market, not just food and tat.
Carrie-Ann Gregory They ARE reducing the business rates but it’s not enough. The council like to use the phrase “market rates” as an excuse for them not to reduce rents but it doesn’t seem to occur to them that the private landlords that want “market rates” don’t have tenants either! These days the town centre is full of people looking for things as cheap as possible.. Personally if I lived outside of Crawley I wouldn’t visit the town centre twice! (I avoid it whenever possible as it is). Lower rents, lower parking charges and divide the shops up into smaller units. Get some independent, niche shops back and advertise outside the town so people know they can find these great little businesses if they pay Crawley a visit. What’s the point of the new Morrisons and Travelodge if there’s nothing to bring people to the town in the first place? No wonder John Lewis pulled out.
Mark Hackwell Thanks Cheryl and yes, we need markets like a xmas market as that one we had this Xmas wasn’t big enough, Birmingham has a big Xmas Market and I’m sure that is part funded by the council. The way they need to do things is get support from County Mall or the Council, for instance, sponsoring the market, that way it helps to take the rent price off the market holders and gets more into the town. Also things like a French Market and German Market need looking into. Look at the other example of the Farmers Market where did that go? Too higher rents so they couldn’t afford it County Mall doesn’t appear to be helping the shops instead it seems to be closing them down. Any idea on whether County Mall is still council owned?
Carrie-Ann Gregory I thought County Mall had always been privately owned?
Debbie Mcewen It’s been years since I visited Crawley town centre and it’s a huge shame that it seems to have gone. I’m in Pontypridd now, they’re struggling too. There’s too many charity shops and pawn brokers, not enough to get people enthusiastic to visit. xxx
Carrie-Ann Gregory If they filled the shops before worrying about putting on xmas markets, then ADVERTISED them (after enticing lots of quality small businesses to take part) people would flock to them and the pitch price would be worth it. It’s no good them just taking your money and then sticking their heads in the sand because if the town isn’t attractive to shoppers they’re not going to come to the market anyway!
Susie Lawless Hi Crawley Happy Times. I remember that big market you described in your piece. I loved it! It was a proper market and it had porter loos for changing. They tried to do a similar market in the car park at the time opposite Debenhams, which was good. I don’t attend the markets as much as I did growing up but I still think it would be a real shame if they closed the markets in the High Street & Queen Square. I’m all for improvements but they are getting rid of the historical buildings & part of the towns history. It’s such a shame allot of the shops have been left because the rent is too high. I agree the council should buy them and rent at a lower affordable cost, then they wouldn’t be deserted for so long.
Carrie-Ann Gregory Do you know, I am seriously considering moving the business outside of Crawley, and us along with it! Anywhere where the town planners and council care about more than just revenue and have a bit of foresight. Shame really as I have always tried to stick up for Crawley but I’m tired of trying to big up a town where the powers that be just don’t seem to give a hoot.
Mark Hackwell One other problem is that when you drive through the town down the Boulevard you see empty shops or shops you wouldn’t want to visit and that’s the first imagine of Crawley, hence why people don’t stop to come in.
Sandy Turner I am a trader on Crawley market.The facts are this is not the last Saturday market it’s the last Wednesday market in Queens Square. We want the whole market moved to Queens Square for all 3 days permanently. Wednesday was given to us to promote the High Street market. The council say we have had long enough. We make a living on the Wednesday market and without it we won’t survive. The operators have given it a month to see what happens. Our petition is to move us to the Queens Square where there is footfall! My family have sold handbags for 35years on Crawley market.
Jerri Sewell I am also a trader on Crawley Market. I strongly believe that if the market was in Queens Square permanently, Crawley would have a thriving market week in week out, rain or shine. Which would benefit both traders and public alike. This Market I believe could be one of the best supported markets in Sussex. Crawley’s town centre is dying, full of rubbish shops which disappear over night and who don’t care about their customers. I value every one of our loyal customers!
Maz Mitchell I have also been asking CBC for an indoor market for years. It should be central in the square. If everyone here were to email the council about it. Maybe they would listen to more voices. They are asking residents for comments on the future of the square at the moment
What do you think as a shopper in Crawley? Are you part of the Council and wish to have your say? Contact us by commenting below or email us at firstname.lastname@example.org
We have just been informed there is a council meeting about this tonight (26th Feb)….have your say!
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